Comments on: Get Your “Groove” On http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/ Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:01:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David Holloway http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-1009 David Holloway Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:54:08 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-1009 Dear Stan:If you could help me with the following i would much appreciate, I have been a pro for many years,and spend my time playing and teaching. My passion for the game is as strong as ever,and i know that if i can get my short game to tour standard it would let me play full time. In October i will have 6 months free time to work on my short game.I want to get the best out of this 6 months as possible and get as good as i can from 100 yards and in. Would you be kind enough to put together a short game practice plan for me,which i would stick to for these 6 months which you think would get me to where i need to be. It would be for me a massive help for my future as a player kindest regards David Dear Stan:If you could help me with the following i would much appreciate,
I have been a pro for many years,and spend my time playing and teaching.
My passion for the game is as strong as ever,and i know that if i can get my short game to tour standard it would let me play full time.

In October i will have 6 months free time to work on my short game.I want to get the best out of this 6 months as possible and get as good as i can from 100 yards and in.

Would you be kind enough to put together a short game practice plan for me,which i would stick to for these 6 months which you think would get me to where i need to be.

It would be for me a massive help for my future as a player

kindest regards
David

]]> By: Stan Utley http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Stan Utley Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:59:44 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-537 I'll take your word on this as a statement of fact. I've not hit a grooveless wedge before, so I can't say whether this is true or not, although logic would indicate that it is. You can connect with the experts at Vokey through their web site to get their opinion on this idea. Stan I’ll take your word on this as a statement of fact. I’ve not hit a grooveless wedge before, so I can’t say whether this is true or not, although logic would indicate that it is. You can connect with the experts at Vokey through their web site to get their opinion on this idea.

Stan

]]> By: JPayne http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-495 JPayne Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:48:08 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-495 Mr. Utely, I would like to correct something with regards to why the new rules create less spin. While the grooves are duller, the less spin comes from the grooves having less volume. Less volume means less space for the grass, water, sand etc. to collect. Therefore, those elements than may have been collected in the grooves will now come between the ball and the club face. On a perfect lie with no elements, a flat club face, one with no grooves will spin the ball the greatest as it provides the most surface area for the ball to make contact with. It's the same concept tires use. Grooves to dissipate the water, but on a race track flat tires rule the roost. Mr. Utely,

I would like to correct something with regards to why the new rules create less spin. While the grooves are duller, the less spin comes from the grooves having less volume. Less volume means less space for the grass, water, sand etc. to collect. Therefore, those elements than may have been collected in the grooves will now come between the ball and the club face. On a perfect lie with no elements, a flat club face, one with no grooves will spin the ball the greatest as it provides the most surface area for the ball to make contact with. It’s the same concept tires use. Grooves to dissipate the water, but on a race track flat tires rule the roost.

]]> By: Stan Utley http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-458 Stan Utley Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:59:16 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-458 Dave...none that I've seen. Your best bet is to check with the USGA head office in New Jersey to see if they have an up-to-date list on their web site or available as a PDF download. Alternately, you may have to check with each manufacturer, such as Vokey's web site, to see if they can provide any guidance. These sites usually give you the ability to add your add comments or send along questions that someone on the technical or marketing side may be able to answer for you. Stan Dave…none that I’ve seen. Your best bet is to check with the USGA head office in New Jersey to see if they have an up-to-date list on their web site or available as a PDF download. Alternately, you may have to check with each manufacturer, such as Vokey’s web site, to see if they can provide any guidance. These sites usually give you the ability to add your add comments or send along questions that someone on the technical or marketing side may be able to answer for you.

Stan

]]> By: david holloway http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-433 david holloway Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:18:30 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-433 Stan As a fellow pga professional,do you know where i can obtain a list of wedges which are allowed to be used on tour.So far i have only found one from the R&A but it seems most wedges are banned. thanks Stan
As a fellow pga professional,do you know where i can obtain a list of wedges which are allowed to be used on tour.So far i have only found one from the R&A but it seems most wedges are banned.
thanks

]]> By: Stan Utley http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-281 Stan Utley Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:03:27 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-281 Ty, I have been playing the new grooves since August. Yes, they spin less on short pitches and shots from the rough. I have had success controlling my pitch shots using a shallow attack angle on the ball and an early release of the club face. This shot pitches the ball so that the landing is softened. The will help since spin is less than the sharper grooves that we have used the past several years. We are all learning to adapt to the new rule! All the best, Stan Ty,

I have been playing the new grooves since August. Yes, they spin less on short pitches and shots from the rough. I have had success controlling my pitch shots using a shallow attack angle on the ball and an early release of the club face. This shot pitches the ball so that the landing is softened. The will help since spin is less than the sharper grooves that we have used the past several years. We are all learning to adapt to the new rule!

All the best,

Stan

]]> By: Ty Zimmerman http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-278 Ty Zimmerman Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:45:12 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-278 Mr. Utley, I have just read "The Groove Roll Back Report" and noticed in this report that the ball will release more and drop the spin rate down almost 4000 on full shots. To produce more spin the club will have to travel faster to help pick up more spin. With being a Golf Professional and a regular tournament player I will have to know how to play this shot and teach this to my better player players. How can this be done with your teaching (I am more interested in the pitch shot)? Sincerely, Ty Z Mr. Utley,

I have just read “The Groove Roll Back Report” and noticed in this report that the ball will release more and drop the spin rate down almost 4000 on full shots. To produce more spin the club will have to travel faster to help pick up more spin. With being a Golf Professional and a regular tournament player I will have to know how to play this shot and teach this to my better player players. How can this be done with your teaching (I am more interested in the pitch shot)?

Sincerely,

Ty Z

]]> By: Stan Utley http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Stan Utley Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:19:51 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-34 Tom, No doubt, these changes are going to challenge the players. But, most of them adapt pretty well to things like this. It'll be very interesting watching the stats to see how they are doing with the roll-back. Thanks for visiting and commenting. Appreciate it very much. Stan Tom,

No doubt, these changes are going to challenge the players. But, most of them adapt pretty well to things like this. It’ll be very interesting watching the stats to see how they are doing with the roll-back.

Thanks for visiting and commenting. Appreciate it very much.

Stan

]]> By: Tom Harlan http://stanutley.com/2009/09/24/effect-groove-rule-has-on-scoring/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Tom Harlan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:32:38 +0000 http://stanutley.com/?p=499#comment-33 This is the best thing to happen to tournament in 25 years! Finally we can leave the "bomb and gouge" days behind. Square grooves and the creation of the "4 man scramble" tournament were enough to make Bobby Jones roll over in his grave. An entire generation has been taught that the ONLY rules in golf are hit it as far as you can, go for every sucker pin and hammer every putt. As an Golf Instructor who loves the game at it's core...as in...play it where it lies and putt everything in the hole. I applaud the USGA for giving the game back to those who work hard, use their bodies AND their brains to hit the right shot to the right place at the right time! This is the best thing to happen to tournament in 25 years! Finally we can leave the “bomb and gouge” days behind. Square grooves and the creation of the “4 man scramble” tournament were enough to make Bobby Jones roll over in his grave. An entire generation has been taught that the ONLY rules in golf are hit it as far as you can, go for every sucker pin and hammer every putt.
As an Golf Instructor who loves the game at it’s core…as in…play it where it lies and putt everything in the hole. I applaud the USGA for giving the game back to those who work hard, use their bodies AND their brains to hit the right shot to the right place at the right time!

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